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That's not funny

I am no fan of Governor Palin, but I am also not happy about jokes at her expense that are based on her sex or her sexual attractiveness. I think such jokes are going to set back the cause of electing women to political offices.

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beaq
Oct. 20th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
Amen.
wild_irises
Oct. 20th, 2008 08:42 pm (UTC)
I don't think the jokes will hurt the cause of electing women, but otherwise I am in complete agreement. What I do think is that it will hurt the cause of treating women as people rather than sexualized stereotypes.
leback
Oct. 21st, 2008 04:40 am (UTC)
That's a really good point. It seems like a great many opportunities are opened *more* readily to women who will occupy them as sexualized stereotypes than to women who insist on occupying them as people. We're less threatening that way. After all, what's the harm in letting a woman attain a position of power if, in order to attain it, she's already had to trade in all the power that its attainment was meant to confer?
clawbug
Oct. 20th, 2008 08:50 pm (UTC)
I agree - and why the heck should politicians be sexy in the first place?
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firecat
Oct. 20th, 2008 08:56 pm (UTC)
That's not my impression from what I've seen, but you have probably seen more than I have.
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tedesson
Oct. 20th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah, it's not like there isn't sufficient material to satirize based on her actual decisionmaking qualifications. But then, a lot of commentary is pretty lazy.

On the financial crisis, but related (and funny):

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/822be2cc-9c6d-11dd-a42e-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
cheshyre
Oct. 20th, 2008 11:58 pm (UTC)
I agree. The sexism expressed in arguments against female candidates is disheartening.
clever_doberman
Oct. 21st, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
like the first woman to be a Supreme Court Judge (and the first Black person as well), it seemed like it had to be a conservative.

I hated the misogyny and drastically higher standards that Hillary was up against, and most of the time she did just fine, but I do wonder if she'd have been as electable because of her gender.

I find the comments about Palin's "attractiveness" irritating at best. and it's a disservice to our intelligence in making this choice based on something deeper than the cult of celebrity.


I do enjoy your thread title, however, and I am certainly one of those feminists that could be characterized by the joke

how many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
that's not funny.
hislittlekitty
Oct. 21st, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
Is it wrong that my first thought for the answer should be either "Just one, we can do anything!" or "two, one to do it, and a second one to keep away all the men who keep offering to do it for them."
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aquaeri
Oct. 21st, 2008 03:51 am (UTC)
Okay, I'm not American, but I haven't actually seen many jokes that seem to be about Sarah Palin's sex or sexual attractiveness. I've seen quite a few that aim for her "gosh darn it, aren't I cute?" behaviour (and some of them miss), and I think they're quite legitimate, because to me that is preposterous behaviour from someone campaigning for high office, just as George W. Bush's "good ole boy" is.

What I've been really offended about, and to some extent still haven't gotten over, is the sense that Sarah Palin was chosen to attract disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. The idea that she, by sharing sex chromosomes, is remotely a substitute, and that we're not supposed to notice (or care about) all the actual policy, experience and personality differences between them - that's what has been most sexist about this campaign, to my mind.
firecat
Oct. 21st, 2008 04:30 am (UTC)
What I've been really offended about, and to some extent still haven't gotten over, is the sense that Sarah Palin was chosen to attract disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters.

Yep or at least there was a pretense along those lines. The reports of disaffected HC supporters were promoted by a McCain partisan.
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cjsmith
Oct. 21st, 2008 04:00 am (UTC)
Word.
leback
Oct. 21st, 2008 04:44 am (UTC)
I've probably seen relatively few of these, on account of being somewhat culturally out of it, but I suspect I've also failed to give them due attention (and/or recognize the gendered nature of the humor) on occasions when I have encountered them. Since I purport to be a feminist, this obliviousness worries me. Should you encounter examples that you feel inspired to call out individually, I'd be glad to have the food for thought.
wordweaverlynn
Oct. 21st, 2008 10:24 am (UTC)
They're just as offensive as the watermelon and fried-chicken references about Obama.

The Republican VP candidate offers a choice array of mockable opinions. Why settle for worrying about her cheekbones?
starcat_jewel
Oct. 22nd, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
Hear, hear. This is just the flip side of the "ugly" memes about women like Janet Reno, and both of them are based on the assumption that a woman's only value is in her looks.

There is one point at which I'm rather of two minds about Palin. I'll admit that I'd be happier, personally, if she didn't seem so determined to reinforce the "airheaded cheerleader" stereotype -- but the fact that she is, and is doing such an outstanding job of it, is very much to the advantage of American women right now, because it's pushing moderate voters toward Obama. So I can't be altogether upset about it either.
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